What If? Lab
What if pulleys had friction?
Pulleys help us lift heavy things. But real pulleys rub and squeak. What happens when a pulley has friction? Let's find out with Olly!
A pulley system with four ropes can make a heavy crate feel four times lighter, but only in a perfect world with no friction. Turn friction up in Olly's model and see how much harder you have to pull, and where the extra work goes.
An ideal block and tackle with four supporting segments has a mechanical advantage of 4 and an efficiency of 100 percent. Drop the efficiency to 60 percent in a simple-machines model and the pull rises from 245 N to 409 N, while the extra work becomes heat.
The big question
A pulley is a wheel with a rope around it. Lots of pulleys together can make lifting easy.
But real pulleys rub as they turn. What does the rubbing do?
A pulley is a wheel with a rope running around it. Put several pulleys together, so that several pieces of rope hold up the load, and you can lift something heavy with a much smaller pull.
In a perfect pulley, nothing rubs. But real pulleys turn on axles, and the rope bends around the wheels, so some rubbing, or friction, is always there. So what if we add friction to an ideal pulley? In this lab you can turn friction up in a model and watch what changes.
Textbook pulley problems usually assume frictionless pulleys and massless, inextensible ropes. OpenStax notes that if the pulleys are friction-free, the force a pulley system delivers is about a whole-number multiple of the rope tension, set by how many segments pull on the load.
This lab drops the friction-free assumption. Using a simple-machines model, it compares the same four-segment block and tackle lifting 100 kg at 100 percent and at 60 percent efficiency, and asks what friction changes and what it does not.
Try the experiment
Make a prediction
Olly's four ropes make his crate easy to lift. Now the pulleys rub. What happens to his pull?
Four ropes hold a 100-kilogram crate, and you pull with about 245 newtons. Friction now wastes 40 percent of your work. How hard must you pull?
An ideal four-segment block and tackle needs 245 N to lift 100 kg. At 60 percent efficiency, what is the pull?
- Still about 245 newtons
- About 409 newtons
- About 98 newtons
| Control | In our world | What ifโฆ | Range |
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| Efficiency (less friction = higher) ยท How much of your work reaches the crate. 100% means no friction; 60% means friction takes 40% of your work. | 100 % | 60 % | 50โ100 % |
| Ropes holding the crate ยท How many pieces of rope hold up the moving pulley. More pieces mean less pull and more rope to pull. | 4 ropes | — | 1โ6 ropes |
| Load ยท How heavy the crate is, in kilograms. | 100 kg | — | 1โ1000 kg |
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Established fact
A machine can't give out more work than you put in.
A machine can make a push or pull smaller, but it can never do more work than the energy you put into it.
Energy is conserved in simple machines: a machine cannot do more work than the energy put into it, though it can reduce the input force (OpenStax).
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What the model shows
In the model, friction makes the 100-kilogram crate feel like about 42 kilograms instead of 25.
In the model, with four ropes, friction at 60 percent efficiency raises the pull from about 245 to 409 newtons.
Model, 100 kg, n = 4: η = 100% gives 245 N and 981 J in; η = 60% gives 409 N and about 1,640 J in, for the same 981 J on the load.
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What the model shows
In the model, friction doesn't change how much rope you pull.
In the model, you still pull 4 meters of rope for each meter the crate rises, with or without friction.
Rope travel per meter of lift equals n whatever the efficiency; friction raises the force, not the distance.
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Established fact
Rubbing turns some energy into warmth.
Friction turns some mechanical energy into thermal energy, which can't all be turned back into useful work.
Friction is nonconservative: it converts mechanical energy into thermal energy that dissipates and cannot be fully recovered as work (OpenStax).
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An idea scientists discuss
Adding lots more pulleys might not help as much as you think.
Each extra pulley might add its own friction. The model keeps the same efficiency however many ropes you add, so it might make many pulleys look better than they really are.
Real losses grow with the number of sheaves and with load; a single fixed η might overstate the benefit of high-n systems.
A perfect pulley
Olly's crate weighs 100 kilograms. Four ropes hold it up.
Each rope holds a quarter. So the crate feels like only 25 kilograms!
In Olly's model, a 100-kilogram crate hangs from a moving pulley held up by four pieces of rope. With no friction, each piece carries a quarter of the load, so you only need to pull with about 245 newtons. That feels like lifting 25 kilograms instead of 100.
There is a catch: to lift the crate 1 meter, you must pull 4 meters of rope. You pull less hard, but for longer. The work you put in, force times distance, is the same 981 joules as lifting the crate straight up.
For an ideal system, the mechanical advantage equals the number of supporting segments, n = 4. The pull is m·g/n = 100 × 9.81 / 4 ≈ 245 N, and each meter of lift needs n = 4 m of rope. Work in = 245 N × 4 m = 981 J, exactly the work done on the load, m·g·h = 981 J.
This is the energy bookkeeping behind every simple machine. As OpenStax puts it, a machine cannot do more work than the energy put into it, but it can reduce the input force needed by spreading it over a longer distance.
Add friction
Now Olly adds friction. The pulleys rub as they turn.
The crate is just as heavy, but Olly has to pull harder. It now feels like about 42 kilograms.
Now set the model's efficiency to 60 percent. That means only 60 percent of your work reaches the crate; friction takes the rest. With the same four ropes and the same crate, your pull rises from about 245 newtons to about 409. The crate now feels like lifting about 42 kilograms.
Some things stay the same. You still pull 4 meters of rope for each meter the crate rises, and the crate still gains the same 981 joules of energy. But the work you put in grows to about 1,640 joules. About 650 joules go into friction.
The model divides the ideal pull by the efficiency: F = m·g / (n·η) = 981 / (4 × 0.6) ≈ 409 N, which feels like 41.7 kg. Rope travel is unchanged at 4 m per meter of lift, because that follows from geometry, not friction. Work in rises to 409 N × 4 m ≈ 1,640 J against 981 J of work on the load, so about 654 J goes to friction.
A useful comparison: at 60 percent efficiency, even six segments need about 273 N, more than four ideal segments (245 N). At 50 percent, four segments need 491 N, the same as two ideal ones.
Where the work goes
Rubbing makes things warm. Rub your hands together and feel!
Friction in a pulley turns some of your pulling into a little bit of heat.
Energy never disappears, but it can change into forms we can't use. When the axle and the rope rub as the pulley turns, friction turns some of your work into thermal energy: the parts warm up very slightly. That energy doesn't lift the crate, so you have to supply extra.
Scientists measure this with efficiency: the useful work out divided by the energy put in. A perfect pulley would be 100 percent efficient. Real machines are always less.
OpenStax defines efficiency as useful work output divided by total energy input. Friction is a nonconservative force: it converts mechanical energy into thermal energy that leaves the system and cannot be fully recovered as work. So η = W_out / W_in < 1, and with fixed W_out the input work and force must rise.
The model is simpler than real hardware. It uses one fixed efficiency, whatever the load or the number of pulleys. Real friction grows with load, and every extra sheave adds its own. The model also treats the ropes and pulleys as weightless and every rope segment as vertical, so it may understate the losses of a system with many pulleys.
Fighting friction
Engineers try to make machines smooth and slippery.
Oil helps metal parts slide past each other much more easily.
Engineers work hard to cut friction in machines. Oil is one of the best tricks. OpenStax lists the friction between two sliding pieces of dry steel and two pieces of oiled steel: with oil, the sliding friction is about ten times smaller.
Some machines are very efficient. OpenStax gives a typical electric motor an efficiency of about 98 percent, while a gasoline engine is about 30 percent. Real pulleys always lose some work to friction too, so the real pull is always a bit more than the ideal one.
Lubrication changes friction dramatically. OpenStax's table of friction coefficients gives steel on dry steel a kinetic coefficient of 0.3 and oiled steel 0.03, ten times lower; it adds that atomic-scale research on friction could save energy now converted unnecessarily to heat.
Efficiencies vary widely between machines. OpenStax lists typical values of about 98 percent for an electric motor, 30 percent for a gasoline engine and 9 percent for the human body during weightlifting. For a pulley system, the efficiency depends on its bearings, the rope and how many sheaves it has; the model's single slider stands in for all of these.
Amazing facts
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Oil makes metal slide much more easily.
Oiled steel sliding on steel has about ten times less friction than dry steel on steel.
OpenStax lists kinetic friction coefficients of 0.3 for dry steel on steel and 0.03 for oiled steel.
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Some motors waste very little energy.
A typical electric motor is about 98 percent efficient, while a gasoline engine is about 30 percent.
OpenStax's table of typical efficiencies gives about 98 percent for an electric motor, 30 percent for a gasoline engine and 35 percent for a diesel engine.
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Our joints are slippery too!
Bones in our joints, lubricated by a slippery fluid, have even less friction than oiled steel.
OpenStax gives bone lubricated by synovial fluid a kinetic friction coefficient of about 0.015, half that of oiled steel.
Words to know
- pulley
- a wheel with a rope running around it, used to lift or move loads
- friction
- a force that resists things rubbing or sliding past each other
- efficiency
- the share of the energy put into a machine that comes out as useful work
- mechanical advantage
- how many times a machine multiplies the force you put in
- work
- energy transferred by a force moving something: force times distance
- thermal energy
- energy of the jiggling particles in a material, felt as warmth
Discovery challenge
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What does friction do to Olly's pull?
With the same four ropes and crate, what does friction do to the pull you need?
At a fixed load and n, lowering the efficiency makes the required pull…
- Makes it bigger
- Makes it smaller
- Doesn't change it
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Makes it bigger
He has to pull harder.
It makes it bigger: from about 245 to 409 newtons at 60 percent.
…larger: F = m·g/(n·η).
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With friction, how much rope does Olly pull to lift the crate 1 meter?
With four ropes and friction, how much rope do you pull to lift the crate 1 meter?
With n = 4 and η = 60%, the rope travel per meter of lift is…
- 1 meter
- 4 meters
- 8 meters
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4 meters
Still 4 meters, the same as with no friction.
Still 4 meters: friction changes the force, not the distance.
…4 m, set by geometry, not friction.
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Where does the extra pulling go?
Where does the extra work you put in against friction end up?
Work done against friction is mostly converted into…
- Heat
- Lifting the crate higher
- Sound only
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Heat
It turns into warmth.
It becomes thermal energy, warming the pulleys and rope.
…thermal energy, which cannot be fully recovered as work.
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What helps metal parts slide more easily?
Which of these cuts the friction between two steel parts the most?
Per OpenStax, which treatment lowers the steel-on-steel kinetic friction coefficient from 0.3 to 0.03?
- Oil
- Sand
- Rust
Show the answer
Oil
Oil makes them slippery.
Oil: it makes the friction about ten times smaller.
Oil: 0.03 instead of 0.3, about a tenth.
Experiments to try
- Watch Try it What If? Lab What if you could lift a car with a lever? A lever is a bar that turns on a pivot called a fulcrum. In this lab, a 1,000-kilogram load sits on a lever. Move the fulcrum close to the load, make your side long, and see how small your push becomes, and how far your end has to move.
- Watch Try it What If? Lab What if a crane used more pulleys? Lifting a 100-kilogram crate straight up on one rope is hard work. In this lab, add pulleys so that more pieces of rope hold the load. Watch how the pull you need gets smaller, and how much more rope you have to pull.
Explore next
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- Watch Try it What If? Lab What if a crane used more pulleys? Lifting a 100-kilogram crate straight up on one rope is hard work. In this lab, add pulleys so that more pieces of rope hold the load. Watch how the pull you need gets smaller, and how much more rope you have to pull.
- Watch Try it What If? Lab What if a beam stood on its edge? The same steel beam can lie flat or stand on its edge. It weighs exactly the same either way, yet in our model the tall way sags only a quarter as much under a truck. Find out why a beam's height matters far more than its width.
- Watch Try it What If? Lab What if a boat carried too much cargo? A steel boat floats because its hollow shape pushes aside lots of water. Every kilogram of cargo pushes it a little deeper. Load Olly's model boat step by step, find the most it can carry, then see what happens with 400 kilograms on board.
- Watch Try it What If? Lab What if a boat changed shape? Drop a solid block of steel in water and it sinks straight down. Shape steel into a hollow boat hull and it floats. In our model, a steel hull the same outside size as the block bobs on the water with about a third of it showing, and can even carry cargo. Find out how shape, not just material, decides whether something floats.
- Watch Try it What If? Lab What if a bridge weighed nothing? A long bridge carries more than traffic: it also has to hold up its own heavy body. In Olly's model, switch off a 60-meter steel beam's weight and see how much of its strength was being used just to hold itself up.
- Watch Try it What If? Lab What if a bridge were built with different materials? Steel, wood and aluminum all behave differently when a heavy truck rolls onto them. In our model, a wooden beam the same size as a steel one bends about five times as much under the same truck, yet it still holds, partly because wood is so much lighter. Find out why bending and breaking are two different things.
- Watch Try it What If? Lab What if a bridge were held up at one end only? A beam held at only one end, like a diving board, is called a cantilever. In this lab a 10-meter steel beam carries a 20-tonne truck. Take away one support and watch how much more it bends, and find where the beam works hardest.
For parents & teachers
What children will learn
- A pulley system with n supporting rope segments ideally divides the pull by n, but the rope must move n times as far.
- Friction raises the force needed without changing the distance; efficiency is useful work out divided by energy in.
- Work lost to friction becomes thermal energy.
- This model uses one fixed efficiency; real friction depends on the load, the bearings and the number of pulleys.
Recommended ages: 11 to 17 ยท About 15 minutes
Talk about it
- Why do you still have to pull 4 meters of rope even when there is no friction?
- Where have you felt friction turn movement into warmth?
- How could you make a pulley system more efficient?
Try at home or in class
- Rub your palms together quickly for ten seconds and feel the warmth: that is friction turning movement into thermal energy.
- Loop a string over a broom handle held level by two chairs and lift a small bag of rice with it. Then try again with the string over a smooth round pencil or a spool that can turn. Which feels easier?
Key vocabulary: pulley, friction, efficiency, mechanical advantage, work, thermal energy
Where these facts come from
- College Physics 2e, §9.5 Simple Machines , OpenStax
- College Physics 2e, §7.6 Conservation of Energy , OpenStax
- College Physics 2e, §7.5 Nonconservative Forces , OpenStax
- College Physics 2e, §5.1 Friction , OpenStax
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