What If? Lab
What if the Moon and Sun lined up?
The Moon and the Sun both pull on the sea. What happens when they pull in a line together? Try it in Olly's lab!
The Moon and the Sun both stretch Earth's oceans into tides. When they pull at right angles, at a quarter moon, their stretches partly cancel. In our model, lining them up at new moon makes the tides about 2.7 times as strong: these big tides are called spring tides, and they have nothing to do with the season.
The Moon's and Sun's tidal stretches combine like two quadrupole fields. In the model, with the Moon's tide = 1 and the Sun's = 0.46, the total is |1 − 0.46| = 0.54 at quadrature (neap) and 1 + 0.46 = 1.46 in alignment (spring), a ratio of 2.7. On an idealized ocean covering the planet, that is a range of 0.29 m versus 0.78 m.
The big question
At the beach, the sea comes up and goes back down. These are the tides.
The Moon pulls on the sea. So does the Sun. What if they pulled together, in a line?
Twice a day on most coasts, the sea creeps up the beach and slides back again. These tides are made mostly by the Moon, with help from the Sun.
But the Moon and Sun are not always in the same part of our sky. Sometimes they pull from the same line, and sometimes at right angles. In this lab, the Moon starts at first quarter, at right angles to the Sun. What happens to the tides when the Moon and Sun line up?
Tides arise because the Moon's and Sun's gravitational pulls vary across Earth's diameter, stretching the oceans along the line toward each body. Each produces its own pair of bulges.
The relative orientation of the two tidal patterns changes through the lunar month. This lab sets the Moon-Sun angle (elongation) to 90°, first quarter, and then to 0°, new moon, and asks how the combined tide strength changes.
Try the experiment
Make a prediction
The Moon moves from a half moon to a new moon, in a line with the Sun. What happens to the tides?
The Moon moves from first quarter, at right angles to the Sun, to new moon, lined up with it. What happens to the tide strength?
Elongation goes from 90° to 0°. How does the model's combined tide strength change?
- It grows to almost three times as strong
- It halves
- It stays the same
| Control | In our world | What ifโฆ | Range |
|---|---|---|---|
| Moon’s place in its month ยท Where the Moon is in its month. New moon and full moon line it up with the Sun; the quarter moons put it at right angles. | 90 ° | 0 ° | 0โ360 ° |
| Sun’s tides ยท Switch the Sun's tides off to see the Moon's part alone. | 1 on/off | — | 0โ1 on/off |
| Moon distance ยท How far away the Moon is. Today it is about 384,400 km. Closer means stronger tides. | 384400 km | — | 100000โ1000000 km |
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Established fact
When the Sun and Moon line up, the tides are bigger.
At new and full moon, the Sun's tide adds to the Moon's, making extra-high high tides and extra-low low tides: spring tides.
At syzygy the solar tide adds to the lunar tide (spring tides); at quadrature a week later it partly cancels it (neap tides) (NOAA).
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What the model shows
In the model, lining up the Moon and Sun makes the tides almost three times as strong.
In the model, the tide meter reads about 0.54 at first quarter and about 1.46 at new moon, 2.7 times as strong.
Model: L = 1, S = 0.46; neap 0.54 (0.29 m equilibrium range), spring 1.46 (0.78 m); ratio 2.70.
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What the model shows
In the model, without the Sun, the tides are the same size all month.
In the model, switching off the Sun's tides makes the tide strength 1.00 at every phase of the Moon.
Model: with S = 0, T = L = 1.00 for all θ, and the equilibrium range is 0.53 m.
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Established fact
Spring tides happen all year round.
Spring tides come twice every lunar month, all year; their name comes from the tide 'springing forth'.
'Spring' derives from the tide springing forth; spring tides occur twice each lunar month regardless of season (NOAA).
At right angles
At a half moon, the Moon and the Sun pull from different sides.
Their pulls partly cancel out. The tides are small.
In the model, the Moon's tide counts as 1 and the Sun's as about 0.46, a bit less than half. At first quarter, when you see half the Moon lit, the two pull at right angles. The Sun's stretch fills in part of the Moon's low places, so the tides are smaller than usual.
The tide meter reads about 0.54. On an imaginary ocean covering the whole planet, the sea would rise and fall by only about 0.29 meters. These small tides are called neap tides.
Tidal acceleration scales as M/d³. With today's Moon as the unit, the model's solar term is S ≈ 0.46. The combined amplitude is √(L² + S² + 2LS cos 2θ), so at θ = 90°, cos 180° = −1 and the total is L − S = 0.54.
The model's equilibrium range for this case is 0.29 m. That figure applies to a frictionless global ocean that instantly takes up the shape of the tidal forces, not to any real coast.
Line them up
Now the Moon moves into line with the Sun. They pull together!
The tides get much bigger. The sea goes higher and lower.
Choose 'new moon'. The Moon and Sun now pull along the same line, so their stretches add up. The tide meter jumps from 0.54 to about 1.46, about 2.7 times as strong. The ideal ocean's rise and fall grows to about 0.78 meters.
Now try 'full moon'. The Moon is on the opposite side of Earth from the Sun, but the tide is just as big, 1.46. Press play and watch the meter swing between small and big tides twice in each month.
At θ = 0° (or 180°), cos 2θ = 1 and the total is L + S = 1.46, with an equilibrium range of 0.78 m: 2.70 times the neap value. The pattern repeats every half synodic month, about 14.7 days, so there are two spring and two neap periods in each 29.5-day cycle.
Turn the Sun's tides off and the meter reads 1.00 at every phase: without a second body there is nothing to add to or cancel. At 45°, the model gives 1.10.
Why it happens
The Moon and the Sun each stretch the sea a little, like pulling a rubber band.
In a line, the stretches add up. Sideways, they get in each other's way.
Each body stretches Earth's oceans into an oval along the line pointing at it: high water toward it and on the far side, low water in between. When the Moon and Sun are lined up, their ovals point the same way and add together into one bigger stretch.
At right angles, the Sun's high water lands where the Moon's low water is, so they partly cancel. The Moon wins, because its stretch is about twice the Sun's, but the tides are smaller. Our model treats Earth as covered by one deep ocean and leaves out coastlines.
Each tidal field is a quadrupole: it stretches along one axis and squeezes along the perpendicular ones. Two quadrupoles at angle θ combine with a 2θ dependence, so alignment (0° or 180°) gives L + S and quadrature (90° or 270°) gives |L − S|.
The Sun's term is smaller despite its far greater mass because tidal stretching falls with the cube of distance. The model's limits: equilibrium tides, circular orbits in Earth's equatorial plane, and no basin resonances, friction or lag. OpenStax notes that land masses, friction, Earth's rotation, wind and varying ocean depth complicate real tides, so some places have very small tides and others huge ones.
Spring and neap tides for real
Every month, there are big tides at new moon and full moon.
They are called spring tides. They happen all year, not just in spring!
NOAA, the U.S. ocean and weather agency, explains that when the Sun, Moon and Earth line up, at new and full moon, high tides are a little higher and low tides a little lower: spring tides. The name comes from the tide 'springing forth', not from the season. About seven days later, at the quarter moons, come the moderate neap tides.
When a new or full moon falls close to the Moon's nearest approach to Earth, NOAA says high tides can be more than a foot higher than other spring tides. In Anchorage, Alaska, the difference can be 3 feet or more.
NOAA's tides tutorial describes the solar tide adding to the lunar tide at syzygy (new and full moon) to give spring tides, and partly canceling it at quadrature a week later to give neap tides; each lunar month has two of each. NOAA also notes that 'King Tide' is a popular, non-scientific term for exceptionally high tides.
Perigean spring tides, when syzygy coincides with lunar perigee, often bring high tides more than a foot higher than apogean spring tides; in Anchorage, with a range over 30 feet, the difference can reach 3 feet or more. NOAA adds that seasonal effects on water level can sometimes produce higher tides than perigean ones.
Amazing facts
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Spring tides happen in every season, even in winter.
Spring tides have nothing to do with springtime. The name comes from the idea of the tide 'springing forth'.
NOAA notes that 'spring tide' is a historical term from the tide 'springing forth' and that spring tides occur twice each lunar month all year.
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The Moon's distance from Earth changes during each month.
The Moon's path around Earth is an oval, so its distance changes by about 31,000 miles in a month. When it is closest, tides are bigger than usual.
NOAA: the Earth-Moon distance varies by about 31,000 miles over a month; tide-generating forces are higher than usual at perigee and lower at apogee.
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People sometimes call the very highest tides 'King Tides'.
'King Tide' is a popular name for exceptionally high tides. NOAA calls it a non-scientific term.
NOAA describes 'King Tide' as a popular, non-scientific term for exceptionally high tides, often around new or full moon near perigee.
Words to know
- tide
- the regular rise and fall of the sea, caused mainly by the Moon's and Sun's pull
- spring tide
- an extra-big tide that happens when the Sun, Moon and Earth line up, at new and full moon
- neap tide
- a smaller tide that happens when the Sun and Moon are at right angles, at the quarter moons
- new moon
- the phase when the Moon is between Earth and the Sun and its lit side faces away from us
- tidal range
- the difference in height between high tide and low tide
Discovery challenge
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When are the biggest tides?
At which phases of the Moon do spring tides happen?
Spring tides occur when the Moon is at…
- New moon and full moon
- The quarter moons
- Only in springtime
Show the answer
New moon and full moon
At new moon and full moon, when the Moon and Sun are in a line.
At new and full moon, when the Sun, Moon and Earth line up.
…syzygy: new or full moon, when the solar and lunar tides add.
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In the model, how much stronger are the tides when the Moon and Sun line up, compared with a half moon?
In the model, how much stronger is the tide at new moon than at first quarter?
The model's spring-to-neap ratio is about…
- About 2.7 times
- About the same
- About 10 times
Show the answer
About 2.7 times
Almost three times stronger!
About 2.7 times: 1.46 against 0.54.
…(1 + 0.46) ÷ (1 − 0.46) = 2.7.
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Where does the name 'spring tide' come from?
Why are spring tides called 'spring' tides?
According to NOAA, the term 'spring tide' derives from…
- The tide 'springing forth'
- The season of spring
- Springs of water on the beach
Show the answer
The tide 'springing forth'
From the tide 'springing forth'. It is not about springtime!
From the idea of the tide 'springing forth'; spring tides happen all year.
…the concept of the tide 'springing forth', not the season.
Experiments to try
- Watch Try it What If? Lab What if the Moon were closer? The Moon's tides depend very strongly on distance. Bring the Moon to half its distance in our model and its stretching of the oceans becomes 2 × 2 × 2 = 8 times stronger, while each trip around Earth takes only about ten days.
- Watch Try it What If? Lab What if Earth had no Moon? The Moon's pull stretches Earth's oceans and gives us most of our tides. Take the Moon away in our tide model and see what is left: the Sun still makes tides, but they are less than half as big as the Moon's.
- Watch Try it What If? Lab What if a coast were made of hard rock? Waves wear coasts away, but not every coast wears at the same speed. In our model, a bare sandy island facing ordinary waves keeps about 72 percent of its land after 50 model years. Make the same island of hard rock and it keeps about 99 percent. That is why hard rock is often left sticking out to sea as headlands.
Explore next
- Watch Try it What If? Lab What if the Moon were closer? The Moon's tides depend very strongly on distance. Bring the Moon to half its distance in our model and its stretching of the oceans becomes 2 × 2 × 2 = 8 times stronger, while each trip around Earth takes only about ten days.
- Watch Try it What If? Lab What if Earth had no Moon? The Moon's pull stretches Earth's oceans and gives us most of our tides. Take the Moon away in our tide model and see what is left: the Sun still makes tides, but they are less than half as big as the Moon's.
- Watch Try it What If? Lab What if a coast were made of hard rock? Waves wear coasts away, but not every coast wears at the same speed. In our model, a bare sandy island facing ordinary waves keeps about 72 percent of its land after 50 model years. Make the same island of hard rock and it keeps about 99 percent. That is why hard rock is often left sticking out to sea as headlands.
- Watch Geography Tides Tides are the slow rise and fall of the sea along coasts. The Moon's gravity, helped a little by the Sun, pulls Earth's oceans into two bulges. As Earth turns through them, most coasts get two high tides and two low tides every 24 hours and 50 minutes.
- Watch Try it What If? Lab What if all the sea ice melted? Sea ice floats, so it is already pushing aside about as much water as it will make when it melts, like an ice cube in a glass. In our model, melting all the Arctic's springtime sea ice raises the sea by only about 2 millimeters. The same ice melting on land would raise it about 7 centimeters.
- Watch Try it What If? Lab What if an ocean food web changed? Antarctic krill are small shrimp-like animals, but they feed a huge number of bigger ones. Take krill out of our model's Southern Ocean food web and all seven other species are affected: every animal in it loses all its food, from silverfish to orcas.
- Watch What If? Lab What if coral reefs could be regrown? Scientists grow broken pieces of coral in underwater nurseries, then plant them back on damaged reefs. Follow how coral gardens work, how scientists search for corals that cope with heat, and what happens when fish come back to a restored reef.
- Watch Try it What If? Lab What if icebergs were made of wood? An iceberg floats with about nine-tenths of it hidden under the water. Swap the ice for wood in our model and watch the block bob up much higher, then find out why how much shows depends on density.
For parents & teachers
What children will learn
- Both the Moon and the Sun raise tides; the Sun's are a bit less than half the Moon's.
- When they line up at new and full moon, the tides add into larger spring tides.
- At the quarter moons they partly cancel, giving smaller neap tides.
- Real tides also depend strongly on coastlines and the Moon's changing distance.
Recommended ages: 9 to 17 ยท About 15 minutes
Talk about it
- Why are the tides just as big at full moon as at new moon, even though the Moon is on the opposite side?
- Why would the Sun, which is far bigger than the Moon, make smaller tides?
- Why might a beach near you have much bigger or smaller tides than the model shows?
Try at home or in class
- Look up a tide table for a coastal town, plus the dates of the next new and full moon. Do the biggest ranges fall near those dates?
- Hold a stretchy hair tie between two fingers to show one 'tidal stretch'. Ask a helper to pull a second hair tie over it in the same line, then crosswise, and compare the shape.
Key vocabulary: tide, spring tide, neap tide, new moon, tidal range
Where these facts come from
- What are spring and neap tides? , NOAA National Ocean Service
- Tidal variations: the influence of position and distance , NOAA National Ocean Service Education
- What is a perigean spring tide? , NOAA National Ocean Service
- What is a King Tide? , NOAA National Ocean Service
- Astronomy 2e, §4.6 Ocean Tides and the Moon , OpenStax
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